Posted by: toricarrington | November 10, 2007

How dangerous is too dangerous?

Okay, so we like to push the envelope, think outside the box, write on the edge. Pick your idiom; it’s our goal to have our names listed in the definition. Usually we take a great deal of pride in this. Celebrate our lifelong rebellion against social norms and cultural conventions. We imagine ourselves modern day James Deans with a pen. But how far is too far?

Over the course of our twenty-some-year career, we’ve shined the spotlight on infidelity, an incest survivor, alcoholism, bi-sexuality; you name it, it’s probably popped up somewhere in our forty novels, all of them romance with the exception of the three titles in our Sofie Metropolis, PI series, and even Sofie’s love life is an important part of her evolution. We take great pleasure in mixing a hefty dose of reality in with our fiction, mostly because it lends a certain authenticity, partly because along with our characters we;re grappling to understand life’s mysteries. And we almost always come away from each book with if not a complete understanding at least acceptance that the world would be a very drab place indeed if we were all cut from the same piece of cloth.

Which leads us to our latest Blaze DANGEROUS.

When our editor Brenda Chin first proposed the Extreme series of Blazes, we were at a loss of where we could possibly take our books that we hadn’t taken them already. I mean, outside those elements that would boost them from romantica to straight erotica. So it took us awhile to wrap our minds around the concept that she wasn’t necessary looking for sex or more of it since regular Blazes were already blazing that trail (pardon the pun). She was looking for books that dealt with themes that normally wouldn’t appear in series romance fiction, such as vampires, time travels, witches, etc. But while we’re both fans of paranormal, we feel there are enough everyday elements to deal with without delving into unknown realms (that and we wrote one really dark paranormal years ago that still sits in our attic and haunts us both to this day).

So we went the reality route and found ourselves asking questions like: What if your father were a mafia don? If you were born into a New York family that was a cross between the Corleones and the Sopranos? What would be normal to you? And what would life be like if your father and brother were gunned down in broad daylight and you were sucked back into an existence you knew like the back of your hand but had hoped never to have to confront?

Thus Lady Boss Gia Trainello and FBI Agent Lucas Paretti were born.

The end result was a book we felt was true to the subject matter, as well as the most brutal story we’d ever written. Even Brenda had us take out a couple of the more violent passages and make the end happier (how does one write about the mob without violence?).

But, ultimately, the story is about one woman, and one man, and how they overcome their own unique obstacles in order to claim the happily-ever-after they so deserve. And in Gia and Lucas’ case, create their own definition of the word family.

Have you read the book? How do you feel? Was the subject matter distracting? Or did you feel it was in fitting with the story? In the movie industry, sex is what makes a film R-rated, violence is acceptable. Is the reverse true in books? Especially romance novels?

You tell us.

Oh, and as special incentive, we’re giving out a copy of one of our books to one lucky commenter. All you need do is post to qualify. We were going to make the giveaway a copy of DANGEROUS, but decided to open it up to any title in our forty strong backlist, including the three hardcover titles in our SOFIE METROPOLIS, PI series.

For more info on us and our books, and to enter our November on-line drawing for a copy of FOUL PLAY, the third hardcover title in our Sofie Metropolis, PI series, visit http://www.toricarrington.net
and http://www.sofiemetro.com.

Responses

Thank you, Mad, for inviting us for a visit! We look forward to seeing what’s in store for us…

xoxo

Lori & Tony

If this our How Dangerous post looks familiar to some, it’s because we have used it once before (not here). Apologies. As we sat down last night to write something on family and the definition of the same, we got the news from our son Tony that his aunt’s health has taken a turn for the worse and was told she has only a handful of precious weeks left.

It’s strange, but this hit us all especially hard, even though she’s been battling against cancer for the past three years, and we knew it had spread to her liver a couple of months ago.

Hope is a strange and beautiful thing, isn’t it? She was undergoing experimental treatment and we all had complete faith that she would emerge triumphant, just as she had during every other battle she’d encountered…

Even now, hope is strong..

All positive thoughts welcome even as we beg your forgiveness for our distraction.

xoxo

Lori & Tony

Wow i hope she’s ok, or at least as ok as she can be given the circumstances.

I haven’t actually read dangerous, but it sounds great. But as for your other questions, i think violence in romance books is ok, not full out war and death and destruction type violence, but the whole good vs bad way. Where the bad guys get whats coming to them and the good guys dont end up feeling bad for killing people =)

I think that in normal contemporary romances you’ll ususally find a hint of violence, even if it’s just the heroine getting her purse snatched. but a lot of the other subgenres have quite a lot of violence in them, paranormals especially. ( i could discuss this all day lol)

but just to be concise about it, violence is in nearly all the books i read, but it isn’t portrayed in an overwhelming way, so it’s not really that noticable. It makes for a good story catalyst or plot feature and adds to the romance overall.

Ayla (sorry for going on!)

Thoughts and prayers coming your way, Lori & Tony! Keep us posted on how she’s doing.

I picked up DANGEROUS… the other day at the bookstore but haven’t started it yet…plan to get to it soon though! :)

I read your thoughts on the subject on Tote Bags Blog and I don’t mind violence if it fits the story and makes us understand where the characters are coming from :)

I have just bought Dangerous in ebook… but I have not yet begun reading.

Sorry for your son’s aunt - that is a weird expression - are you not all related!

Anyway, a lot of people put a lot of hope in experimental regiments… but usually it doesn’t last long for the majority of the patients - just finished my gyn-oncology internship - and it is sad to see that we are helpless… I guess to let go is a great quality :)

I don’t really like violence in a romance novel or fiction in general… Why? I hate all action movies, I have never seen the Sopranos - even if my brother was hooked on the series - and don’t even read suspence novels.

I guess I like my reading to be light (hum… in french, lecture légère… but in english, it really sounds weird!)

I read for enjoyment and prefer to avoid novels with violence, although if it is required then have it used sparingly. With that in mind I did watch the series “24″ and enjoyed it greatly. Your books sounds intriguing and I look forward to reading it.

I haven’t read the book yet. I prefer to read about sex as opposed to watching it in a movie. As far as violence goes, I’m not found of it, but if it fits in the story then go for it.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I haven’t read Dangerous yet, but I agree with Nathalie. Violence can be part of the storyline and not bother me, though I tend to skip over parts where the descriptions are extremely gory.

I don’t mind reading violence in a romance, but I understand that some people would rather avoid bloodshed and brutality in romance novels. Haven’t read “Dangerous” yet. I imagine it would be difficult to make a perfect balance of sex and violence in a mob story.

Big Hugs Lori and Tony!

I have not yet read this book, but it sounds really good.

I don’t mind violence in a romance if it fits the storyline. I am pretty easy when it comes to books and not too picky…if the story sounds good I will give it a shot….but for some reason I am more picky when it comes to movies…I am not really fond of the violent ones at all.

My thoughts are with your family.

I don’t get too upset by violence in a book when it is necessary for the plot line.

Your family is in my thoughts and prayers.

I haven’t read Dangerous yet. It sounds wonderful! I don’t mind violence at all. I love the books Karen Rose writes and they have a lot of it along with romance.

My thoughts and prayers are with your family.
I don’t mind violence as long as it is a part of the story—-not violence for the sake of violence..
‘Dangerous’ looks interesting.

I don’t mind violence either… if the book is good.

Wow! What a great response. Thanks, guys.

Ayla, please do go on! That’s what this is all about. One of the reasons we don’t do much blogging and why our email box is packed is that we enjoy taking the time to respond, much in the way that you did. Thanks for being so thoughtful and thorough in your response. You’re absolutely right, there is a bit of violence in every book, no matter the genre. It’s necessary to bring about the type of conflict necessary to make for a compelling read.

We can only hope that readers will feel that’s the case with Dangerous.

xoxo

Lori & Tony :> ;>

Thanks for the well wishes, Mad. Will keep you posted.

Hope you enjoy Dangerous! We look forward to hearing your thoughts.

xoxo

L&T :> ;>

Thx, Nathalie! Yep, thought you looked familiar. We’re still pretty new to this blogging stuff. Informal chats that are *not* archived are more our style. We tend to get into more trouble, I swear. We’ve even begun requesting our speeches not be recorded for fear of something being used against us, which has happened. (Despite my putting my hand over the mic during a speech that was being recorded a few years ago, a spy — actually a fellow writer and friend trying to get one up — reported to one of our editors that we’d shared how we go about avoiding five-page revision letters: simply, turn in the book at the last possible moment. Now we’re given deadlines that are a couple of months in advance of our previous deadlines. Of course, we’ve even figured that out, and the cycle continues. Snickers.)

Sigh. See. I told you we get into more trouble…

During a speech at an OCC meeting in L.A. last year we spotted the recorder under the podium and kept pushing the pause button. They probably ended up with like a whole fifteen minutes out of the second hour we spoke. lol

One of my favorite sayings is, “That’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” And I welcome — crave, really — an opposing opinion if only to test my own.

So what are your thoughts on sex in books? The more the better? Or is less more?

xoxo

Lori & Tony :> ;>

Hi, Lily! Actually, our sons’ aunt is their mother’s sister. I’m their stepmother, but I never refer to myself that way. Tony and I don’t socialize with that side of the family (smiles and polite conversation when our paths cross) but are supporting our boys through the struggle and experience much of their pain. You know, encouraging them to be there for their mother as much as possible, talk and visit with their aunt and cousins, and provide the shoulder to cry on when needed, as well as discuss death and hold up the beauty of life.

Even though Lynn has been battling various forms of cancer over the past three years — began with breast, moved on to skin and lymphoma — she battled them all more or less successfully…until it recently popped up in her liver. I bawled my eyes out when I read up on the topic, the mortality rates of this type, etc. Tried to prepare our boys for it as much as possible. Still, in the end, it came as a hell of a blow to them both.

Bless you for being an oncologist. Hold on to the success stories tightly with both hands even as you allow others’ hands to slip away.

xoxo

Lori & Tony

LOL on your comment and then saying you watch “24″ Ellie! Thumbs up. You should be okay with Dangerous.

I feel the same way, Christy! I think it’s a form of foreplay. Movies seem to plunge you right in while a book allows you to understand the characters and actually experience the coming together through their eyes. Kinda like that first time all over again.

Or maybe not.

Thx, Cathy M! I know what you mean. I’ve never been much of a skimmer or skipper, but I find myself doing it more often lately. Too many great books to read, too little time! (Sucks when I miss an important detail, though. Sigh.)

Jane, impossible, actually! But I’m hoping we achieved it.

Coincidentally enough, we caught Godfather II on satellite yesterday. Now *that* was a dark story. And lonely! What would life be like if you couldn’t trust anyone? I can’t imagine.

Then again, I don’t think many of us face the same life and death situations that exist in these stories. Can you imagine? Shudders.

Hmm…actually, we did imagine. Within the compassionate framework of a romance. A spicy, sexy, conflict-ridden romance.

I think that was part of the key. To make sure that Gia and Lucas’s conflict was as powerful as the violence that swirled around them…

Whew! See, I told you we were incapable of short responses. Eeek!

xoxo

L&T

I hear ya, Jennifer.

Tony and I actually enjoy violent movies. Especially since the invention of the DVD player. (I can’t imagine what I’d do if I cried out in a movie theater, like I’ve been doing at home recently. Tony actually gets mad at me sometimes because I scare him - lol).

We watched 28 Weeks Later last night. Ah, zombies. Gotta love ‘em.

Or not…

Thanks for your well wishes, Maureen. Tim’s coming down tomorrow to spend some time with his aunt and then he’s stopping by here for some moral support afterward. Of course, we’ll make sure we send him home with oodles of food and love.

Oh, Susan! You’re not lying about Karen Rose!

Thumbs up, Estella. We make a point of not writing anything merely for the sake of writing it. Hot, sweaty, monkey sex? You can rest assured that there’s something well beyond simple chemistry. Or, if not, that it gets the characters into all sorts of trouble. The Love v. Sex debate is one of our favorite themes.

Uh oh, Maggie. Neurotic writer alert. Does the, um, “…if the book is good,” mean that you’ve read the book and found it lacking?

Thwap! Note to self: Must muzzle the neurotic writer…

xoxo

Lori & Tony :> ;>

One final note before I log off for the night…

I think one of the reasons we enjoy violent movies is that they really don’t require much of a psychological or emotional investment. Put in Chocolat and I’ll have to stay up to watch every last precious moment. Put in Saw III and Tony and I will fall asleep by scene three with absolutely no side effects. Well, most of the time. I fell asleep while watching Reign of Fire (modern day dragons with Christian Bale as the hero before his Batman days) a couple years back, and our flag was flapping in the wind outside our open window during a particularly gusty night…and I had dreams that a damn dragon was flapping its wings next to our bed.

Hmm…actually, I think that would fall solidly into nightmare territory.

With that, I promise to check back in the morning, both to respond to any further comments and to pick a winner.

Goodnight, all! And thanks so much for the warm welcome and great interaction. Maybe we should give more thought to this blogging thing.

xoxo

Lori & Tony :> ;>

Okay, names go into Tony’s “Read Tori Carrington” ball cap (yeah, he’s shameless). Around and around they go… Close the eyes… Stick the hand in… Tony moved the hat… Thwap… Going in again… And the winner is…

Lily!

Woohoo! Congrats, Lily. (Btw, I just browsed through the posts again and saw that you said gynocology not oncology. Yeesh. Sorry about that. But bravo anyway!)

Go to http://www.toricarrington.net for help in picking out your choice of titles (given your interest in lighter fare, may we suggest one of our Sofie Metropolis titles?). Then email us at karayianni@aol.com with your choice.

Warm thanks to everyone for coming out! I wish I would have checked the board before logging off last night. Could have participated in the impromptu chat. You know, gotten into even more trouble.

Big, wet smooches, Mad!

xoxoxo

Lori & Tony — off to get ready to participate in the Writers on the River Book Fair in Monroe, MI :> ;>

My prayers for your family. All the best.

I don’t mind violence in books or movies as long as it serves a purpose. The same with sex. If it serves the story, then it’s great. But gratuitous anything, be it sex or violence, I don’t care for. I look forward to reading your book!

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